FOR SALE: 1967 Vauxhall Viva HB SL90 2 door saloon (blue)

[Phil]

FOR SALE: 1967 Vauxhall Viva HB SL90 2 door saloon (blue)
By eBAY:
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewItem&item=4566517238>
NO RESERVE PRICE SET, Auction Ends 13 August.

Good Condition, sound bodywork, virtually rust free, kept in garage for
all her life. I bought her for £2000 with just 4500 miles on the
clock! She's been a reliable runner and a great hobby car. Now at
29,000 miles, she's got new breaks, new clutch and new exhaust. All
electrics work. She's had hardened valve seats fitted to convert to
lead-free petrol. (Also comes with a box of spares, manuals,
paperwork, 5 good original tyres, and original radio.) Some defects;
paint on boot lid is slightly cracked, there's a well repaired dent to
inside back wing, scratch on windscreen, and some other minor paint
scratches.

The car runs well but will need to be trailered away as i've let the
MOT and Tax lapse. Being from 1967 the car benefits from free road
tax, and insurance is dead cheap (£120 fully comp)

You are more than welcome to view & drive her. I'm in central Leeds and
available most week day evenings (not weekends). ALL test drives & tyre
kicking must be done before bidding. If you choose to bid without
viewing then you do so at your own risk.

Obviously collection only. Payment must be received within 5 days of
the auction ending. Buyer must pay cash. This item is sold as seen.

[VHIT]

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<4 Aug 2005 01:23:55 -0700>

Post by Phil
The car runs well but will need to be trailered away as i've let the
MOT and Tax lapse. Being from 1967 the car benefits from free road
tax, and insurance is dead cheap (£120 fully comp)

It also comes free with misty eyed brain dead idiots at every petrol
station telling you their dad had one of them years ago :-))

[RichardK]

Post by VHIT
<4 Aug 2005 01:23:55 -0700>

Post by Phil
The car runs well but will need to be trailered away as i've let the
MOT and Tax lapse. Being from 1967 the car benefits from free road
tax, and insurance is dead cheap (£120 fully comp)

It also comes free with misty eyed brain dead idiots at every petrol
station telling you their dad had one of them years ago :-))

If it had an MOT, I'd have been bidding. Never understand why people
don't fork out the £40 (or less) to get the certificate if there is
nothing wrong with the car.

Richard

[Knight Of The Road]

If it had an MOT, I'd have been bidding. Never understand why people don't
fork out the £40 (or less) to get the certificate

£44.15 I paid for MOT on my car last week. Some garages discount this, but I
read that the number is dwindling because of the expense of the new
computerised system

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by RichardK
If it had an MOT, I'd have been bidding. Never understand why people
don't fork out the £40 (or less) to get the certificate if there is
nothing wrong with the car.

Generally they have tried to MOT it, and find too many faults to make it
economical. And that's why it's being sold. Buyer beware as always.

[RichardK]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by RichardK
If it had an MOT, I'd have been bidding. Never understand why people
don't fork out the £40 (or less) to get the certificate if there is
nothing wrong with the car.

Generally they have tried to MOT it, and find too many faults to make it
economical. And that's why it's being sold. Buyer beware as always.

Well, yes. Hence the 'if there's nothing wrong with the car' bit, and
indeed, why I'm not bidding. MOTd, if the car is as described, that car
is worth £1,500. No MOT? I don't believe the description and it's worth
£200.

Richard

[SteveH]

Post by RichardK

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by RichardK
If it had an MOT, I'd have been bidding. Never understand why people
don't fork out the £40 (or less) to get the certificate if there is
nothing wrong with the car.

Generally they have tried to MOT it, and find too many faults to make it
economical. And that's why it's being sold. Buyer beware as always.

Well, yes. Hence the 'if there's nothing wrong with the car' bit, and
indeed, why I'm not bidding. MOTd, if the car is as described, that car
is worth £1,500. No MOT? I don't believe the description and it's worth
£200.

Having seen the newer set of photos, I'd quite confidently say it's a
rot-box.

[RichardK]

Post by SteveH

Post by RichardK

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by RichardK
If it had an MOT, I'd have been bidding. Never understand why people
don't fork out the £40 (or less) to get the certificate if there is
nothing wrong with the car.

Generally they have tried to MOT it, and find too many faults to make it
economical. And that's why it's being sold. Buyer beware as always.

Well, yes. Hence the 'if there's nothing wrong with the car' bit, and
indeed, why I'm not bidding. MOTd, if the car is as described, that car
is worth £1,500. No MOT? I don't believe the description and it's worth
£200.

Having seen the newer set of photos, I'd quite confidently say it's a
rot-box.

Yep, I expect the crossmember, the lower inner wing edge, the rear inner
arches...

Actually, I suspect the roof might not be rusty. But I'm not sure.

Richard

[SimonJ]

Post by SteveH
Having seen the newer set of photos, I'd quite confidently say it's a
rot-box.

Having seen the subject line of the post, I'd quite confidently say it's a
rot-box!

[Phil]

Goodness, you lot are cynical.
What can i say, she's not a rot-box. She's never failed an MOT in the
last 7 years, unfortunately due to personal circumstances i'm not in a
position to get her one now - and i have to sell at very short notice.
and i'm heart broken about it.

The photos purposely show the worst of some superficial surface paint
damage (the boot does need a repaint) the roof and all else is fine
except for a little dent on the front right wing. The actual rust is
neglagable (a tiny hole above the front left headlight and a small hole
underneath at the back below the boot). Structurally she is sound, the
crossmember, the lower inner wing edge, the rear inner arches are all
OK.
I don't want to con anyone, I just want her to go to a caring home.

Usually things that sound too good to be true, are too good to be true
- but not always. And just cos i'm using eBay to sell it doen't mean
theres anything wrong with the car either.
If anyone lives near by, come round and have a look. You will be
pleasently surprised.

Phil Newby LEEDS LS6
Mob. [phone]

P.S. it really does come with hundreds of with misty eyed people at
every petrol station telling you their dad had one of them years ago.

[SteveH]

Post by Phil
Goodness, you lot are cynical.
What can i say, she's not a rot-box. She's never failed an MOT in the
last 7 years, unfortunately due to personal circumstances i'm not in a
position to get her one now - and i have to sell at very short notice.
and i'm heart broken about it.

Until it has a fresh, crisp, new MOT certificate, it can only be assumed
that the car won't pass an MOT, and therefore will sell at a price that
reflects this.

[PC Paul]

Post by Phil
Goodness, you lot are cynical.

<snip>

Post by Phil
The photos purposely show the worst of some superficial surface paint
damage (the boot does need a repaint) the roof and all else is fine
except for a little dent on the front right wing.

<etc.>

Post by Phil
Usually things that sound too good to be true, are too good to be true
- but not always. And just cos i'm using eBay to sell it doen't mean
theres anything wrong with the car either.

I think you're suffering from the same thing I do - too honest!

People expect you to be trying to pull the wool over their eyes so they
assume the worst case pics are really best case and it's downhill from
there.

Good luck selling it...

[Knight Of The Road]

Post by Phil
Goodness, you lot are cynical.

It seemed a reasonable car to me Phil. I've owned a fair few cars from that
era and its fair to say that they do rust, although if it's lasted this
long, it can't be too bad, is my opinion.

Anyway, anyone unable to cope with a bit of tinworm wouldn't want that kind
of car anyway. Same as contact-breaker points.

Take the comments about the MOT as constructive criticism and be prepared to
take advice on board.

It is true that a car with an MOT is worth masses more than one without-
even if it did not have an MOT, I would be prepared to buy a classic car on
the strength of an MOT failure certificate- at least you know what you are
taking on. If you can find any time to spare at all, take it for MOT.

[Phil]

I took your advice and put her in for her MOT today & she passed with
flying colours! Thanks

i've added a scan of the MOT certificate to the pictures at
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/phil.newby/viva and this confirms her
milage as 18942 miles

i've also added a scan of her independent valuation from 1997 too FYI.
It's a shame i haven't time to re-paint her boot, touch up some
scratches, mend a little dent on the front and patch a couple of small
rust holes or shed be worth £2000 again.

If anyones more interested shes on eBay item#4566517238
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4566517238>
With bids currently at £235 and less than 4 days to go she will be a
great bargin.

[Adrian]

Post by Phil
i've added a scan of the MOT certificate to the pictures at
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/phil.newby/viva and this confirms her
milage as 18942 miles
i've also added a scan of her independent valuation from 1997 too FYI.

Blimey - 1997, only 4,561 miles - now up to 19k.

Y'know what - that's actually a selling point, IMHO.

It shows that the car isn't just a garage queen that was used early and
then shut away - it shows that recently it's been capable of a relatively
substantial amount of use - which is good.

I can see what the club guy means about the naff SL90 stickers on the rear
wings and the side-repeater (just on the O/S?) - likewise that 'orrible
high-level brake light.

It'd really repay the new owner a day spent tidying bits like that up.

[SteveH]

Post by Adrian

Post by Phil
i've added a scan of the MOT certificate to the pictures at
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/phil.newby/viva and this confirms her
milage as 18942 miles
i've also added a scan of her independent valuation from 1997 too FYI.

Blimey - 1997, only 4,561 miles - now up to 19k.

You don't think that might me 119k miles, then?

[Adrian]

Post by SteveH

Post by Adrian
Blimey - 1997, only 4,561 miles - now up to 19k.

You don't think that might me 119k miles, then?

It's a '60s Viva. No.

[SteveH]

Post by Adrian

Post by SteveH

Post by Adrian
Blimey - 1997, only 4,561 miles - now up to 19k.

You don't think that might me 119k miles, then?

It's a '60s Viva. No.

Heh. Good point.

I very much doubt that's genuine mileage, though.

[Phil]

Cynical lot you are.
The milage is genuine (and i put most of them on myself).
i have all her old mot certificates dating back to 1995 showing how
much she did each year. Come and look at her if you don't believe.

[SteveH]

Post by Phil
Cynical lot you are.
The milage is genuine (and i put most of them on myself).
i have all her old mot certificates dating back to 1995 showing how
much she did each year. Come and look at her if you don't believe.

You don't know how many miles it did before you bought it..... unless it
was only a few years old when you did.

[VHIT]

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<9 Aug 2005 11:58:43 -0700>

Post by Phil
Cynical lot you are.

On this newsgroup - not being cynical is a tossable offence :-)

[AstraVanMan]

Post by Phil
Cynical lot you are.
The milage is genuine (and i put most of them on myself).
i have all her old mot certificates dating back to 1995 showing how
much she did each year. Come and look at her if you don't believe.

Not being funny, but that's reasonably proof that it's done the miles you
say it's done since 1995, but what about the previous 28 years of the car's
existence?

[RichardK]

Post by AstraVanMan

Post by Phil
Cynical lot you are.
The milage is genuine (and i put most of them on myself).
i have all her old mot certificates dating back to 1995 showing how
much she did each year. Come and look at her if you don't believe.

Not being funny, but that's reasonably proof that it's done the miles you
say it's done since 1995, but what about the previous 28 years of the car's
existence?

Who cares. If it's running alright now, going for a sensible price, and
MOT'd... ;)

Richard

[PC Paul]

Post by RichardK
Who cares. If it's running alright now, going for a sensible price,
and MOT'd... ;)

I should keep it then... lol

[Phil]

As well as the MOT certificates, she came with her original tyres - the
rubber was perished to hell but the tread was as new (and i've still
got all 5 of them) also the whole bodywork and engine say she's never
been anywhere. She's lovelly. Shame i've let her get a little shabby
clocking up the last 15k miles.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Phil
The milage is genuine (and i put most of them on myself).
i have all her old mot certificates dating back to 1995 showing how
much she did each year. Come and look at her if you don't believe.

Err, it's a '67 car, and the first MOT would have been 5? years later?
The first MOTs were called the 'ten year test' - so that would have been
'77, but it had been reduced to 5 long before then.

Unless you've got conclusive proof of mileage, it's not a good idea to
quote it in advertising. Because it's lying.

[Phil]

OK i can't prove it, but surely its only lying if i suspect (or know)
its not true.
I bought her believing she'd done 4500miles, the independent valuation
(1997) agreed that she appeared to have only done 4500miles, and having
driven 15k miles in her over the last 8 years, and had 7 MOTs passed
with no work required, she feels like she had only done 4500miles
before.
I honestly believe it's her genuine milage and have nothing to suggest
otherwise.

[RichardK]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by Phil
The milage is genuine (and i put most of them on myself).
i have all her old mot certificates dating back to 1995 showing how
much she did each year. Come and look at her if you don't believe.

Err, it's a '67 car, and the first MOT would have been 5? years later?
The first MOTs were called the 'ten year test' - so that would have been
'77, but it had been reduced to 5 long before then.
Unless you've got conclusive proof of mileage, it's not a good idea to
quote it in advertising. Because it's lying.

The high-res pictures of the front show either a restored car, or one
that has been looked after (what happened to the back is another matter,
looks like tape or something). I think the mileage doesn't matter that
much, though - you buy the car you see, be it three or thirty years old.

Siani has overridden my buying privs. Any bidding on cars is to be 2CV
shaped only, and ideally combined with a reduction in the number of cars
currently around here...

Hope that bloke takes his 72 Beetle away. It's shedding.

Richard

[RichardK]

Post by Phil
Goodness, you lot are cynical.

115 cars in 12 years. Wouldn't you be?

And one of the first of those was to be an HB Viva SL90 in blue. I
didn't know much about cars, but I wanted to sell my much-loved Chevette
and buy it; it failed the MOT on rust in the front inner wings and
chassis legs, and I was gutted - I think HBs are the best looking Vivas.

If I was local, I'd be looking the car over right now, but without an
MOT, I'm not buying something I can't easily see - I bought a 'Garaged,
one owner' VX2300 Auto Estate for £400, travelled to London, and found
it was a rotten POS, but bought it anyway to get home in.

Richard

[Knight Of The Road]

If I was local, I'd be looking the car over right now, but without an MOT,
I'm not buying something I can't easily see - I bought a 'Garaged, one
owner' VX2300 Auto Estate for £400, travelled to London, and found it was
a rotten POS, but bought it anyway to get home in.

In fairness, it isn't difficult to tell if a prospective purchase is rotten-
you just need to look at the non-shiny bit which is situated beneath the
vehicle.

Once you have numbed yourself to the horror of emulating a member of the
lower orders, you simply look for places where the steel is missing/crunchy
flaky. Then you take a decision based on your ability to cope with that.


No, it isn't a super-hot-dip-galvanised Audi with a 10 year anti-corrosion
guarantee. But then it won't cost you £5000 per year in depreciation and
servicing either.

Good luck to the OP, who is obviously a fellow enthusiast!

[RichardK]

Post by Knight Of The Road

If I was local, I'd be looking the car over right now, but without an MOT,
I'm not buying something I can't easily see - I bought a 'Garaged, one
owner' VX2300 Auto Estate for £400, travelled to London, and found it was
a rotten POS, but bought it anyway to get home in.

In fairness, it isn't difficult to tell if a prospective purchase is rotten-
you just need to look at the non-shiny bit which is situated beneath the
vehicle.

Surprisingly, Vince, it's kinda hard to do that when you're 400 miles
away - incredibly, I found it was rotten when I got to London. But
thanks for that blindingly useful bit of information, I'll be sure to
remember it when I'm choosing my 116th car ;)

Richard

[Ian Dalziel]

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:19:28 +0100, RichardK

Post by RichardK

Post by Knight Of The Road

If I was local, I'd be looking the car over right now, but without an MOT,
I'm not buying something I can't easily see - I bought a 'Garaged, one
owner' VX2300 Auto Estate for £400, travelled to London, and found it was
a rotten POS, but bought it anyway to get home in.

In fairness, it isn't difficult to tell if a prospective purchase is rotten-
you just need to look at the non-shiny bit which is situated beneath the
vehicle.

Surprisingly, Vince, it's kinda hard to do that when you're 400 miles
away - incredibly, I found it was rotten when I got to London. But
thanks for that blindingly useful bit of information, I'll be sure to
remember it when I'm choosing my 116th car ;)

"look for places where the steel is missing"

More a matter of looking for *any* steel on some of yours, wasn't it?

;-)

[RichardK]

Post by Ian Dalziel
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:19:28 +0100, RichardK

Post by RichardK

Post by Knight Of The Road

If I was local, I'd be looking the car over right now, but without an MOT,
I'm not buying something I can't easily see - I bought a 'Garaged, one
owner' VX2300 Auto Estate for £400, travelled to London, and found it was
a rotten POS, but bought it anyway to get home in.

In fairness, it isn't difficult to tell if a prospective purchase is rotten-
you just need to look at the non-shiny bit which is situated beneath the
vehicle.

Surprisingly, Vince, it's kinda hard to do that when you're 400 miles
away - incredibly, I found it was rotten when I got to London. But
thanks for that blindingly useful bit of information, I'll be sure to
remember it when I'm choosing my 116th car ;)

"look for places where the steel is missing"
More a matter of looking for *any* steel on some of yours, wasn't it?
;-)

To be fair, that's the case with any FE series - doesn't make me like
them any less ;)

Richard

[Ian Dalziel]

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:03:19 +0100, RichardK

Post by RichardK

Post by Ian Dalziel
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:19:28 +0100, RichardK

Post by RichardK

Post by Knight Of The Road

If I was local, I'd be looking the car over right now, but without an MOT,
I'm not buying something I can't easily see - I bought a 'Garaged, one
owner' VX2300 Auto Estate for £400, travelled to London, and found it was
a rotten POS, but bought it anyway to get home in.

In fairness, it isn't difficult to tell if a prospective purchase is rotten-
you just need to look at the non-shiny bit which is situated beneath the
vehicle.

Surprisingly, Vince, it's kinda hard to do that when you're 400 miles
away - incredibly, I found it was rotten when I got to London. But
thanks for that blindingly useful bit of information, I'll be sure to
remember it when I'm choosing my 116th car ;)

"look for places where the steel is missing"
More a matter of looking for *any* steel on some of yours, wasn't it?
;-)

To be fair, that's the case with any FE series - doesn't make me like
them any less ;)

I was thinking of the Visa you tried to sell me, actually...

[t***@hotmail.com]

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:05:33 +0100, Ian Dalziel

Post by Ian Dalziel
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:03:19 +0100, RichardK

Post by RichardK

Post by Ian Dalziel
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:19:28 +0100, RichardK

Post by RichardK

Post by Knight Of The Road

If I was local, I'd be looking the car over right now, but without an MOT,
I'm not buying something I can't easily see - I bought a 'Garaged, one
owner' VX2300 Auto Estate for £400, travelled to London, and found it was
a rotten POS, but bought it anyway to get home in.

In fairness, it isn't difficult to tell if a prospective purchase is rotten-
you just need to look at the non-shiny bit which is situated beneath the
vehicle.

Surprisingly, Vince, it's kinda hard to do that when you're 400 miles
away - incredibly, I found it was rotten when I got to London. But
thanks for that blindingly useful bit of information, I'll be sure to
remember it when I'm choosing my 116th car ;)

"look for places where the steel is missing"
More a matter of looking for *any* steel on some of yours, wasn't it?
;-)

To be fair, that's the case with any FE series - doesn't make me like
them any less ;)

I was thinking of the Visa you tried to sell me, actually...

Visa?

[RichardK]

Post by Ian Dalziel
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:03:19 +0100, RichardK

Post by RichardK

Post by Ian Dalziel
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 22:19:28 +0100, RichardK

Post by RichardK

Post by Knight Of The Road

If I was local, I'd be looking the car over right now, but without an MOT,
I'm not buying something I can't easily see - I bought a 'Garaged, one
owner' VX2300 Auto Estate for £400, travelled to London, and found it was
a rotten POS, but bought it anyway to get home in.

In fairness, it isn't difficult to tell if a prospective purchase is rotten-
you just need to look at the non-shiny bit which is situated beneath the
vehicle.

Surprisingly, Vince, it's kinda hard to do that when you're 400 miles
away - incredibly, I found it was rotten when I got to London. But
thanks for that blindingly useful bit of information, I'll be sure to
remember it when I'm choosing my 116th car ;)

"look for places where the steel is missing"
More a matter of looking for *any* steel on some of yours, wasn't it?
;-)

To be fair, that's the case with any FE series - doesn't make me like
them any less ;)

I was thinking of the Visa you tried to sell me, actually...

The Decap wasn't that bad though - I was sad to have to scrap it. If it
hadn't had that dent in the rear 1/4, all it needed was a windscreen
surround and some minor work where the screws for the roof were - the A
pillars and sills are galvanised and hadn't suffered (though how to weld
to them was another problem).

I've had much, much worse ;)

Richard