What can I do about this?

[Alan Holmes]

Long and boring!

You have been warned!

Owing to a change in circumstances, I had to dispose of my caravan, which
meant I no longer had a need for a largish car, so I started to look round
for a replacement.

After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, who operate in
Slough, having looked at the cars which were on offer, I was impressed by a
Fiesta, which had all the facilities I wanted, during my examination of the
car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed, but as my present car was
also a Ford and had exposed wheel nuts I took no notice.

When I got it home from the supplier, my son asked where were the hub caps?

As it was not vitally essential, it took me a little while to contact the
company about the lack of hub caps, their reaction was that they have been
stolen whilst I was driving it home, that left me feeling a little bit
puzzled, as I couldn't imagine four dwarves running alongside the car taking
the hubcaps off while I was travelling at about 30 mph!

But the supplier has insisted that they had been stolen.

There was another problem with the vehicle, but as it was still under
warranty I did not pursue that problem, I should have test driven the thing
before buying it.

But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude of
the company beggars belief.

Please could you also send any comments to the management of the Company
whose email addresses are as follows ***@trade-sales.co.uk,
***@trade-sales.co.uk

So, I would advise anyone considering buying a car from Trade-Sales in
Slough to be very, very, wary, make sure you are very familiar with any
vehicle you may be interested in, and make sure you test drive it before
making any decision about buying from this company!

Alan

[DervMan]

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!
You have been warned!

<snip>

Post by Alan Holmes
So, I would advise anyone considering buying a car from Trade-Sales in
Slough to be very, very, wary, make sure you are very familiar with any
vehicle you may be interested in, and make sure you test drive it before
making any decision about buying from this company!

I'm sorry, but your post appears to be proof that there is no law against
stupidity.

One fault you knew about when buying it (and hub caps, for goodness sake),
the other, who should have picked up on it before buying it.

[Bystander]

I bought a car from TradeSales. It had a bit less warranty than a main
dealer would give, and TS made it clear that there might not be a handbook
with the car - and there wasn't. A pack from a dealer cost ten quid. On the
other hand I saved over £3000.
I shall buy from them again.

[M James Hunt]

Post by Bystander
I bought a car from TradeSales. It had a bit less warranty than a main
dealer would give, and TS made it clear that there might not be a handbook
with the car - and there wasn't. A pack from a dealer cost ten quid. On the
other hand I saved over £3000.
I shall buy from them again.

I trust you know a little about cars.

I'd never recommend anyone buy anything from a car supermarket unless
they know what they're buying. The prices are good, and they usually
don't do anything fundamentally dishonest, but the after sales service
is non-existant, and if you ended up with a lemon, the attitude is
that it's your problem.

[Chris Whelan]

Alan Holmes wrote:

[snip tale of woes about Trade Sales of Cippenham]

It's a sad fact of life that you get what you pay for I'm afraid.

I have a number of acquaintances who have used Trade Sales. Most have never
had to return and are happy. Others like you have met with a complete stone
wall when trying to resolve difficulties.

If it's any consolation in resolving whatever your warranty problem might
be, one person who bought a Fiesta from there took it to a local Ford
dealer with some misgivings. The dealer was very helpful however, and was
quite happy to honour the standard ford warranty.

The work colleague who bought a 406 had quite a different experience
however. The dealer was unwilling to even service it!

Note that the standard manufacturer's warranty is for one year only! The
second and third year are provided by the supplying dealer; as you have
purchased outside of the dealer network it is likely that you will only get
a one year warranty.

Chris

[nullified]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:37:28 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!

You weren't kidding, it was!
Get a fookin grip man. A set of hubcaps would cost you a tenner at
Halfords. The car doesnt *require* them, so nothing was 'missing' when
you bought it.
Shit, some people are only alive because its illegal to kill them,..

[John Boyle]

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, w
during my examination of the
car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
When I got it home from the supplier, my son asked where were the hub caps?
it took me a little while to contact the
company about the lack of hub caps,
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude of
the company beggars belief.

I am at a loss to know what you are complaining abut. You see what I
assume is a second hand car with no hub caps. A period of time after you
get it home you then enquire about the absence of hub caps. It is
unlikely that the company even noticed the lack of hub caps and your
subsequent late enquiry might imply that they were there when you bought
it, which they werent. The lack of hub caps do not make a car
unroadworthy and is no different to you buying a car without a radio.

Post by Alan Holmes
Please could you also send any comments to the management of the Company

Gladly. I will support them.

Post by Alan Holmes
So, I would advise anyone considering buying a car from Trade-Sales in
Slough to be very, very, wary, make sure you are very familiar with any
vehicle you may be interested in, and make sure you test drive it before
making any decision about buying from this company!

Why limit that advice to just this company? surely you should do that
every time you buy a second hand car?

[Alex]

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, w
during my examination of the
car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
When I got it home from the supplier, my son asked where were the hub caps?
it took me a little while to contact the
company about the lack of hub caps,
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the
attitude of the company beggars belief.

I am at a loss to know what you are complaining abut. You see what I
assume is a second hand car

Why assume? Especially when you're probably incorrect.

[John Boyle]

In message <***@mid.individual.net>, Alex <***@mail.com>
writes

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle
I am at a loss to know what you are complaining abut. You see what I
assume is a second hand car

Why assume?

Because the described method of purchase would indicate so and the
company sell more already registered cars than anything else and, I
understand, very few 'brand new' i.e. registered for the first time only
when you order it.
Especially when you're probably incorrect.

Oh yes? I suggest you read the rest of thread.

[Alex]

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle
I am at a loss to know what you are complaining abut. You see
what I assume is a second hand car

Why assume?

Because the described method of purchase would indicate so and the
company sell more already registered cars than anything else

Pre-registered is not the same thing as second hand.

Post by John Boyle
and, I
understand, very few 'brand new' i.e. registered for the first time
only when you order it. Especially when you're probably incorrect.
Oh yes? I suggest you read the rest of thread.

After doing so, it's clear that it's second hand. So there's no need
to assume. Like I said; why assume?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Alex
Pre-registered is not the same thing as second hand.

That's what the dealers would love you to believe.

[John Boyle]

In message <***@mid.individual.net>, Alex <***@mail.com>
writes

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle
I am at a loss to know what you are complaining abut. You see
what I assume is a second hand car

Why assume?

Because the described method of purchase would indicate so and the
company sell more already registered cars than anything else

Pre-registered is not the same thing as second hand.

I wuld regard being the second registered owner and the car being 'not
new' is good enough for me.

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle
and, I
understand, very few 'brand new' i.e. registered for the first time
only when you order it. Especially when you're probably incorrect.
Oh yes? I suggest you read the rest of thread.

After doing so, it's clear that it's second hand. So there's no need
to assume. Like I said; why assume?

errr,,, because the rest of thread which shows the exact nature of the
car was written after I wrote my post.?

[Alex]

Post by John Boyle

At 22:20:30 on 18/02/2007, John Boyle delighted uk.legal by

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle
I am at a loss to know what you are complaining abut. You see
what I assume is a second hand car

Why assume?

Because the described method of purchase would indicate so and the
company sell more already registered cars than anything else

Pre-registered is not the same thing as second hand.

I wuld regard being the second registered owner and the car being
'not new' is good enough for me.

How do you define 'new' then?

Post by John Boyle

Post by John Boyle
and, I
understand, very few 'brand new' i.e. registered for the first
time only when you order it. Especially when you're probably
incorrect.
Oh yes? I suggest you read the rest of thread.

After doing so, it's clear that it's second hand. So there's no
need to assume. Like I said; why assume?

errr,,, because the rest of thread which shows the exact nature of
the car was written after I wrote my post.?

Which answers Heney's point.

[Adrian]

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alex
Pre-registered is not the same thing as second hand.

I wuld regard being the second registered owner and the car being
'not new' is good enough for me.

How do you define 'new' then?

In the context of a car purchase, then I'd define new as "Registered with
DVLA specifically for you, with your name on the V5C as the first owner".

[John Boyle]

In message <***@mid.individual.net>, Alex <***@mail.com>
writes

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle
I wuld regard being the second registered owner and the car being
'not new' is good enough for me.

How do you define 'new' then?

Unused and 1st registered to me.

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle
and, I
understand, very few 'brand new' i.e. registered for the first
time only when you order it. Especially when you're probably
incorrect.
Oh yes? I suggest you read the rest of thread.

After doing so, it's clear that it's second hand. So there's no
need to assume. Like I said; why assume?

errr,,, because the rest of thread which shows the exact nature of
the car was written after I wrote my post.?

Which answers Heney's point.

Yes, but I was answering your question. .

[Alex]

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle
I wuld regard being the second registered owner and the car being
'not new' is good enough for me.

How do you define 'new' then?

Unused and 1st registered to me.

Which makes one of your conditions above redundant if 'not new' and
'second registered owner' are the same thing. Pre-registered cars are
generally as unused as 'new' cars, anyway.

[John Boyle]

In message <***@mid.individual.net>, Alex <***@mail.com>
writes

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle
I wuld regard being the second registered owner and the car being
'not new' is good enough for me.

How do you define 'new' then?

Unused and 1st registered to me.

Which makes one of your conditions above redundant if 'not new' and
'second registered owner' are the same thing.

Conditions? they were examples.

Post by Alex
Pre-registered cars are
generally as unused as 'new' cars, anyway.

Generally? not good enough.

[Alex]

At 20:27:37 on 19/02/2007, John Boyle delighted uk.legal by

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle
I wuld regard being the second registered owner and the car

being >>> > 'not new' is good enough for me.

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alex
How do you define 'new' then?

Unused and 1st registered to me.

Which makes one of your conditions above redundant if 'not new' and
'second registered owner' are the same thing.

Conditions? they were examples.

So what do you define as 'not new', given that you've already separated
it from being previously registered?

Pre-registered cars are
generally as unused as 'new' cars, anyway.

Generally? not good enough.

Yes, generally. As in I'd be foolish to state that *all*
pre-registered cars are as unused as 'new' cars.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alex
Pre-registered is not the same thing as second hand.

I wuld regard being the second registered owner and the car being 'not
new' is good enough for me.

As does whoever when you come to sell it. It's not a one owner car.

[Alex Heney]

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, w
during my examination of the
car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
When I got it home from the supplier, my son asked where were the hub caps?
it took me a little while to contact the
company about the lack of hub caps,
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the
attitude of the company beggars belief.

I am at a loss to know what you are complaining abut. You see what I
assume is a second hand car

Why assume? Especially when you're probably incorrect.

Huh?

He is certainly correct.

Why he said anything about "assuming" I don't know, since the OP had
already said that it was a 55 reg vehicle with 6000 miles on the
clock.

[Alex]

At 17:54:44 on 18/02/2007, John Boyle delighted uk.legal by

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, w
during my examination of the
car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
When I got it home from the supplier, my son asked where were the hub caps?
it took me a little while to contact the
company about the lack of hub caps,
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the
attitude of the company beggars belief.

I am at a loss to know what you are complaining abut. You see what

I >> assume is a second hand car

Why assume? Especially when you're probably incorrect.

Huh?
He is certainly correct.
Why he said anything about "assuming" I don't know, since the OP had
already said that it was a 55 reg vehicle with 6000 miles on the
clock.

Already? I suggest you go back and follow the thread.

[Alex Heney]

Post by Alex

At 17:54:44 on 18/02/2007, John Boyle delighted uk.legal by

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, w
during my examination of the
car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
When I got it home from the supplier, my son asked where were the hub caps?
it took me a little while to contact the
company about the lack of hub caps,
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the
attitude of the company beggars belief.

I am at a loss to know what you are complaining abut. You see what

I >> assume is a second hand car

Why assume? Especially when you're probably incorrect.

Huh?
He is certainly correct.
Why he said anything about "assuming" I don't know, since the OP had
already said that it was a 55 reg vehicle with 6000 miles on the
clock.

Already? I suggest you go back and follow the thread.

Good point.

But that post had been made an hour before yours suggesting he was
"probably incorrect" :-)

[Alex]

At 01:52:37 on 19/02/2007, Alex Heney delighted uk.legal by

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, w
during my examination of the
car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
When I got it home from the supplier, my son asked where were

the >> >> > hub caps?

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Alex

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alan Holmes
it took me a little while to contact the
company about the lack of hub caps,
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the
attitude of the company beggars belief.

I am at a loss to know what you are complaining abut. You see

what >> I >> assume is a second hand car

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Alex
Why assume? Especially when you're probably incorrect.

Huh?
He is certainly correct.
Why he said anything about "assuming" I don't know, since the OP

had >> already said that it was a 55 reg vehicle with 6000 miles on
the >> clock.

Already? I suggest you go back and follow the thread.

Good point.
But that post had been made an hour before yours suggesting he was
"probably incorrect" :-)

Well quite possibly; but don't tell me you've never done the same ;-)

[John Boyle]

Post by Alex Heney
Why he said anything about "assuming" I don't know, since the OP had
already said that it was a 55 reg vehicle with 6000 miles on the
clock.

The post which that contained that info wasnt on my newsserver when I
wrote. I wrote at 17.54, the OP wrote that info at 20.03.

[noggin]

Calm down John,

Its customer care - You just don't get it from the car supermarkets

like Lidl vs. M&S

Post by John Boyle

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, w
during my examination of the
car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
When I got it home from the supplier, my son asked where were the hub caps?
it took me a little while to contact the
company about the lack of hub caps,
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the
attitude of the company beggars belief.

I am at a loss to know what you are complaining abut. You see what I
assume is a second hand car with no hub caps. A period of time after
you get it home you then enquire about the absence of hub caps. It is
unlikely that the company even noticed the lack of hub caps and your
subsequent late enquiry might imply that they were there when you
bought it, which they werent. The lack of hub caps do not make a car
unroadworthy and is no different to you buying a car without a radio.

Post by Alan Holmes
Please could you also send any comments to the management of the
Company whose email addresses are as follows

Gladly. I will support them.

Post by Alan Holmes
So, I would advise anyone considering buying a car from Trade-Sales
in Slough to be very, very, wary, make sure you are very familiar
with any vehicle you may be interested in, and make sure you test
drive it before making any decision about buying from this company!

Why limit that advice to just this company? surely you should do that
every time you buy a second hand car?

[Conor]

In article <s90Ch.23687$***@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>, Alan Holmes
says...

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude of
the company beggars belief.
Please could you also send any comments to the management of the Company

Why? The only fuckwit in this post is you. The hubcaps weren't there
when you went to look at it and you bought it without them. How is that
THEIR problem?

The only e-mail I'll be sending to them is to warn them that you're a
prick and not to sell to you.

[johannes]

Post by Conor
says...

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude of
the company beggars belief.
Please could you also send any comments to the management of the Company

Why? The only fuckwit in this post is you. The hubcaps weren't there
when you went to look at it and you bought it without them. How is that
THEIR problem?

The problem might be that the trader came up with a silly story. That doesn't
inspire confidence. Trader should just have said: "No wheelcaps on this car".

[Conor]

Post by johannes

Post by Conor
says...

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude of
the company beggars belief.
Please could you also send any comments to the management of the Company

Why? The only fuckwit in this post is you. The hubcaps weren't there
when you went to look at it and you bought it without them. How is that
THEIR problem?

The problem might be that the trader came up with a silly story. That doesn't
inspire confidence. Trader should just have said: "No wheelcaps on this car".

You'd have to be blind not to notice them missing as it's sat on the
forecourt.

[johannes]

Post by Conor

Post by johannes

Post by Conor
says...

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude of
the company beggars belief.
Please could you also send any comments to the management of the Company

Why? The only fuckwit in this post is you. The hubcaps weren't there
when you went to look at it and you bought it without them. How is that
THEIR problem?

The problem might be that the trader came up with a silly story. That doesn't
inspire confidence. Trader should just have said: "No wheelcaps on this car".

You'd have to be blind not to notice them missing as it's sat on the
forecourt.

Agreed, but that's not the issue. The issue is that the trader came up
with a silly story. He should just have stuck with: "No wheelcaps on this car".

[Aaron B]

Post by Conor

Post by johannes

Post by Conor
says...

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude of
the company beggars belief.
Please could you also send any comments to the management of the Company

Why? The only fuckwit in this post is you. The hubcaps weren't there
when you went to look at it and you bought it without them. How is that
THEIR problem?

The problem might be that the trader came up with a silly story. That doesn't
inspire confidence. Trader should just have said: "No wheelcaps on this car".

You'd have to be blind not to notice them missing as it's sat on the
forecourt.

So why give him a crap story?
The dealer just had to say 'as you would have noticed the motor doesn't have
any hubcaps, and was sold as seen. We could sell you a set for X'.

[Chris Whelan]

Post by Aaron B
So why give him a crap story?
The dealer just had to say 'as you would have noticed the motor doesn't have
any hubcaps, and was sold as seen. We could sell you a set for X'.

The whole point is that the OP didn't buy from a *dealer*. If he had, there
is a reasonable expectation that any noticeable trim items would have been
replaced before the car was offered for sale.

The car was purchased from Trade Sales of Cippenham. This is a car
warehouse; there are none of the usual dealer facilities available. They
certainly wouldn't be able to sell you parts! You select a car, pay up and
drive it away. If you have a warranty problem, take it to the nearest
dealer. If you have any other problem, tough!

It's reasonable to buy a car from such a place, but you need to be aware
that the reason you can save as much as 3000UKP from the price at the
dealer is that they don't offer the same service. Or any service!

Chris

[Knight Of The Road]

Post by Alan Holmes
But the supplier has insisted that they had been stolen.

I think they must have been Alan- only a brain-dead fuckwitt with a white
stick and a guide dog would not notice that a car had no wheel trims when he
inspected it.

If I were you, I would now make a thorough inspection, checking particularly
that all of the windows, seats and panels are present, and I would also
advise that you lift the bonnet in order to ensure that it has an engine.

[Adrian]

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!
You have been warned!

We were warned that by the From: header.

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, who operate
in Slough, having looked at the cars which were on offer, I was
impressed by a Fiesta, which had all the facilities I wanted, during
my examination of the car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
but as my present car was also a Ford and had exposed wheel nuts I
took no notice.
When I got it home from the supplier, my son asked where were the hub caps?

To which the correct answer would be "There weren't any on when I bought
it"

Post by Alan Holmes
There was another problem with the vehicle, but as it was still under
warranty I did not pursue that problem, I should have test driven the
thing before buying it.
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it

You can go to your local Ford dealer and buy some genuine Fiesta ones.
Or you can go to your local pikey Sunday market and buy some cheap hideous
tacky ones.

Post by Alan Holmes
the attitude of the company beggars belief.

It's rivalled only by your stupidity, Alan. How do you manage to type *and*
breath simultaneously? More to the point, why?

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!
You have been warned!

We were warned that by the From: header.

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, who operate
in Slough, having looked at the cars which were on offer, I was
impressed by a Fiesta, which had all the facilities I wanted, during
my examination of the car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
but as my present car was also a Ford and had exposed wheel nuts I
took no notice.
When I got it home from the supplier, my son asked where were the hub caps?

To which the correct answer would be "There weren't any on when I bought
it"

Post by Alan Holmes
There was another problem with the vehicle, but as it was still under
warranty I did not pursue that problem, I should have test driven the
thing before buying it.
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it

You can go to your local Ford dealer and buy some genuine Fiesta ones.
Or you can go to your local pikey Sunday market and buy some cheap hideous
tacky ones.

Post by Alan Holmes
the attitude of the company beggars belief.

It's rivalled only by your stupidity, Alan. How do you manage to type *and*
breath simultaneously? More to the point, why?

If I didn't breath, I would probably die, and I type to annoy people!(:-)

[Adrian]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
It's rivalled only by your stupidity, Alan. How do you manage to type
*and* breath simultaneously? More to the point, why?

If I didn't breath, I would probably die

We can but hope.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
It's rivalled only by your stupidity, Alan. How do you manage to type
*and* breath simultaneously? More to the point, why?

If I didn't breath, I would probably die

We can but hope.

It most certainly will happen one day!

[Adrian]

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, who operate
in Slough, having looked at the cars which were on offer, I was
impressed by a Fiesta, which had all the facilities I wanted, during
my examination of the car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
but as my present car was also a Ford and had exposed wheel nuts I
took no notice.

A thought...

Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

Trade Sales, IIRC, have two main sources for their new and near-new cars.
Parallel import from Ireland and hire cars. I wonder which your Fester is?

[SteveH]

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, who operate
in Slough, having looked at the cars which were on offer, I was
impressed by a Fiesta, which had all the facilities I wanted, during
my examination of the car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
but as my present car was also a Ford and had exposed wheel nuts I
took no notice.

A thought...
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?
Trade Sales, IIRC, have two main sources for their new and near-new cars.
Parallel import from Ireland and hire cars. I wonder which your Fester is?

Ex-pikey hire car. The worst of both worlds.

[Chris Bartram]

Post by SteveH

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, who operate
in Slough, having looked at the cars which were on offer, I was
impressed by a Fiesta, which had all the facilities I wanted, during
my examination of the car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
but as my present car was also a Ford and had exposed wheel nuts I
took no notice.

A thought...
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?
Trade Sales, IIRC, have two main sources for their new and near-new cars.
Parallel import from Ireland and hire cars. I wonder which your Fester is?

Ex-pikey hire car. The worst of both worlds.

*ding* don't hire cars often not have trims fitted? Looks like they
/forgot/ to put them on before sale.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, who operate
in Slough, having looked at the cars which were on offer, I was
impressed by a Fiesta, which had all the facilities I wanted, during
my examination of the car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
but as my present car was also a Ford and had exposed wheel nuts I
took no notice.

A thought...
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles, have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Post by Adrian
Trade Sales, IIRC, have two main sources for their new and near-new cars.
Parallel import from Ireland and hire cars. I wonder which your Fester is?

How would I find out?

Number plate starts LT 55.

Alan

[Adrian]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles,

200*5* reg? I thought Trade Sales were mainly very-near-new. This must be a
PX clearance.

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles,

200*5* reg? I thought Trade Sales were mainly very-near-new. This must be a
PX clearance.

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?

What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

Alan

[Alex Heney]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:00:34 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles,

200*5* reg? I thought Trade Sales were mainly very-near-new. This must be a
PX clearance.

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?
What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

"Ghia" is the trim level in this case

[Conor]

In article <***@4ax.com>, Alex Heney
says...

Post by Alex Heney
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:00:34 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles,

200*5* reg? I thought Trade Sales were mainly very-near-new. This must be a
PX clearance.

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?
What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

"Ghia" is the trim level in this case

Shouldn't it have had alloys in that case?

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Conor
says...

Post by Alex Heney
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:00:34 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles,

200*5* reg? I thought Trade Sales were mainly very-near-new. This must
be
a
PX clearance.

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?
What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

"Ghia" is the trim level in this case

Shouldn't it have had alloys in that case?

It does.

Alan

[Conor]

In article <Gp0Dh.6819$***@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, Alan Holmes
says...

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Conor

Post by Alex Heney
"Ghia" is the trim level in this case

Shouldn't it have had alloys in that case?

It does.

So what is the problem?

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Conor
says...

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Conor

Post by Alex Heney
"Ghia" is the trim level in this case

Shouldn't it have had alloys in that case?

It does.

So what is the problem?

That the hubcaps were missing!

Post by Conor
--
Conor
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Alex Heney
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:00:34 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles,

200*5* reg? I thought Trade Sales were mainly very-near-new. This must
be
a
PX clearance.

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?
What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

"Ghia" is the trim level in this case

Thanks, but what is the significance relating to the problem?

Alan

[Adrian]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Alex Heney

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?
What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

"Ghia" is the trim level in this case

Thanks, but what is the significance relating to the problem?

A pikey-spec Fester would have plastic hubcaps on steels - or, in really
pikey-spec cases, might not have any hubcaps at all as standard.

[Alex Heney]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:43:18 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Alex Heney
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:00:34 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles,

200*5* reg? I thought Trade Sales were mainly very-near-new. This must
be
a
PX clearance.

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?
What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

"Ghia" is the trim level in this case

Thanks, but what is the significance relating to the problem?

The trim level determines (among other things) whether it has alloys
or steel wheels, and hence whether it should have wheel trims or not
(in general, Alloys don't have wheel trims, while steel wheels do,
although neither are absolutely universal).

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Alex Heney
Alloys don't have wheel trims, while steel wheels do,
although neither are absolutely universal).

My BMW has plastic covers for the wheel bolts which sort of fit flush to
the centre of the alloy wheels. I assume it's something similar. But it's
pretty obvious at a glance something isn't right if they're missing.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Alex Heney
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:43:18 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Alex Heney
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:00:34 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles,

200*5* reg? I thought Trade Sales were mainly very-near-new. This must
be
a
PX clearance.

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?
What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

"Ghia" is the trim level in this case

Thanks, but what is the significance relating to the problem?

The trim level determines (among other things) whether it has alloys
or steel wheels, and hence whether it should have wheel trims or not
(in general, Alloys don't have wheel trims, while steel wheels do,
although neither are absolutely universal).

The wheels are aluminimum, and others I have seen have hubcaps.

Alan

[Aaron B]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles,

200*5* reg? I thought Trade Sales were mainly very-near-new. This must be a
PX clearance.

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?
What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

May I suggest you buy your next car from 'All Electric Garages'. I hear
they offer excellent service and value.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Aaron B

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles,

200*5* reg? I thought Trade Sales were mainly very-near-new. This must be a
PX clearance.

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?
What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

May I suggest you buy your next car from 'All Electric Garages'. I hear
they offer excellent service and value.

And where do I find them?

Do they have a branch near Windsor?

Alan

[Aaron B]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Aaron B

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles,

200*5* reg? I thought Trade Sales were mainly very-near-new. This must be a
PX clearance.

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?
What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

May I suggest you buy your next car from 'All Electric Garages'. I hear
they offer excellent service and value.

And where do I find them?

They are in Birmingham.

[Adrian]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes
have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

Look at the badge on the back? Look at the V5?

What badge is that?
What it says on the back is Fiesta and Ghia.

There's your answer, then. It's a Fiesta Ghia. Ghia is Ford-speak for "the
rat's pyjamas".

Hopefully, then, it's the centre caps for the alloys you're talking about.
Doubt they'll be more than a couple of quid each.

[Conor]

In article <Ei2Ch.24140$***@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>, Alan Holmes
says...

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Adrian

Post by Alan Holmes
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, who operate
in Slough, having looked at the cars which were on offer, I was
impressed by a Fiesta, which had all the facilities I wanted, during
my examination of the car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed,
but as my present car was also a Ford and had exposed wheel nuts I
took no notice.

A thought...
Alan... How old is the car, and how many miles? What trim level is it
badged as?

2005 registered, about 6000 miles, have no idea what a 'trim level' is!

<shakes head in disbelief>

LX, GLX, Ghia etc...

[SteveH]

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!
You have been warned!

<snip>

You went out to spend half decent money on a car, but came back with a
Fiesta that you didn't look at or test drive before handing over the
money?

Jesus. No wonder dealers think they can get away with murder when
flogging used motors.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by DervMan

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!
You have been warned!

<snip>
You went out to spend half decent money on a car, but came back with a
Fiesta that you didn't look at or test drive before handing over the
money?
Jesus. No wonder dealers think they can get away with murder when
flogging used motors.

When you think you are dealing with a genuine, honest, dealer, why should
there be any doubt?

Alan

Post by DervMan
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[Chris Bartram]

Post by Alan Holmes
genuine, honest, dealer

That's a relative term at the best of times :-)

[DervMan]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by DervMan

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!
You have been warned!

<snip>
You went out to spend half decent money on a car, but came back with a
Fiesta that you didn't look at or test drive before handing over the
money?
Jesus. No wonder dealers think they can get away with murder when
flogging used motors.

When you think you are dealing with a genuine, honest, dealer, why should
there be any doubt?

Sorry, but buying a used *anything* without the most *rudimentary* of checks
is to be blunt daft.

Whilst I sympathise with you, ultimately you knew better.

You delayed in telling them it was missing hub caps or wheel trims, too.
And whatever the other issue was. You're making the wheel trim issue out to
be a biggie but quite frankly it isn't.

[Adrian]

Post by Alan Holmes
When you think you are dealing with a genuine, honest, dealer, why
should there be any doubt?

Because any conman worth his salt can convince you that he's genuine and
honest.

[Alex Heney]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:06:14 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by DervMan

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!
You have been warned!

<snip>
You went out to spend half decent money on a car, but came back with a
Fiesta that you didn't look at or test drive before handing over the
money?
Jesus. No wonder dealers think they can get away with murder when
flogging used motors.

When you think you are dealing with a genuine, honest, dealer, why should
there be any doubt?

Do you really think that there is any such thing as a "genuine,
honest" *used car* dealer?

I never knew such naivety existed :-)

[Brimstone]

Post by Alex Heney
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:06:14 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by DervMan

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!
You have been warned!

<snip>
You went out to spend half decent money on a car, but came back
with a Fiesta that you didn't look at or test drive before handing
over the money?
Jesus. No wonder dealers think they can get away with murder when
flogging used motors.

When you think you are dealing with a genuine, honest, dealer, why
should there be any doubt?

Do you really think that there is any such thing as a "genuine,
honest" *used car* dealer?
I never knew such naivety existed :-)

I hear tell there's a bridge or two for sale.

[Adrian]

Post by Alex Heney
Do you really think that there is any such thing as a "genuine,
honest" *used car* dealer?

Oh, there almost certainly is at least one out there.

He's very poor, though.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Alex Heney
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:06:14 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by DervMan

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!
You have been warned!

<snip>
You went out to spend half decent money on a car, but came back with a
Fiesta that you didn't look at or test drive before handing over the
money?
Jesus. No wonder dealers think they can get away with murder when
flogging used motors.

When you think you are dealing with a genuine, honest, dealer, why should
there be any doubt?

Do you really think that there is any such thing as a "genuine,
honest" *used car* dealer?
I never knew such naivety existed :-)

You hadn't met me before!(:-)

Alan

[Simon Finnigan]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by DervMan

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!
You have been warned!

<snip>
You went out to spend half decent money on a car, but came back with a
Fiesta that you didn't look at or test drive before handing over the
money?
Jesus. No wonder dealers think they can get away with murder when
flogging used motors.

When you think you are dealing with a genuine, honest, dealer, why should
there be any doubt?

Even assuming that the dealer is honest and genuine, there is still the
potential for honest mistakes - like leaving a wheel nut loose after
checling brake pads (as the first example that springs to mind). I recently
bought a used car - I took a mechanic friend round with me who had a good
look round it (if he spotted something then fine, if he missed something
then it was still going to be MY fault, not his). I had a good look round
it myself, and while I`m certainly not an expert I did my research (on a
different newsgroup) and got a lot of opinions, and things to check that
where general, and also those that where particular to the car I was looking
at. I checked them all, and ended up buying the car. There are niggles
with it, like the solenoid for the boot doesn`t work, but I bought the car
after finding this out, so I`m fine using the key to open it until I get
round to solving the problem.

But why would you trust anyone when you`re spending thousands of pounds on
an item? Check it to the very best of your abilities, and if your abilites
aren`t good enough then pay someone else to check it. Get an RAC or AA test
done before paying for the car, get it HPI checked, take it for an MOT while
it`s still in warentee. Any of those would give you a good chance of
picking up major isues with the car. If you`re too stupid to notice missing
hub caps then that`s your problem, not ours or the dealers.

[pppeterrr]

Post by Simon Finnigan
Even assuming that the dealer is honest and genuine, there is still the
potential for honest mistakes - like leaving a wheel nut loose after
checling brake pads (as the first example that springs to mind).

I would call that negligence.
Peter

[David Taylor]

Post by pppeterrr

Post by Simon Finnigan
Even assuming that the dealer is honest and genuine, there is still the
potential for honest mistakes - like leaving a wheel nut loose after
checling brake pads (as the first example that springs to mind).

I would call that negligence.

Failing to perform even a cursory check of a vehicle you're about to
buy is also rather negligent, don't you think?

[Hooch]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:12:57 +0000 (UTC), David Taylor

Post by David Taylor

Post by pppeterrr

Post by Simon Finnigan
Even assuming that the dealer is honest and genuine, there is still the
potential for honest mistakes - like leaving a wheel nut loose after
checling brake pads (as the first example that springs to mind).

I would call that negligence.

Failing to perform even a cursory check of a vehicle you're about to
buy is also rather negligent, don't you think?

Apparently, a car is sold on Ebay every two minutes.

[Ian Dalziel]

Post by Hooch
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:12:57 +0000 (UTC), David Taylor

Post by David Taylor

Post by pppeterrr

Post by Simon Finnigan
Even assuming that the dealer is honest and genuine, there is still the
potential for honest mistakes - like leaving a wheel nut loose after
checling brake pads (as the first example that springs to mind).

I would call that negligence.

Failing to perform even a cursory check of a vehicle you're about to
buy is also rather negligent, don't you think?

Apparently, a car is sold on Ebay every two minutes.

Must be a real lemon if everyone wants rid of it that quickly.

[Hooch]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 06:58:18 +0000, Ian Dalziel

Post by Ian Dalziel

Post by Hooch
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:12:57 +0000 (UTC), David Taylor

Post by David Taylor

Post by pppeterrr

Post by Simon Finnigan
Even assuming that the dealer is honest and genuine, there is still the
potential for honest mistakes - like leaving a wheel nut loose after
checling brake pads (as the first example that springs to mind).

I would call that negligence.

Failing to perform even a cursory check of a vehicle you're about to
buy is also rather negligent, don't you think?

Apparently, a car is sold on Ebay every two minutes.

Must be a real lemon if everyone wants rid of it that quickly.

I bought one on Ebay. Turned out great.

[Adrian]

Post by Ian Dalziel

Post by Hooch
Apparently, a car is sold on Ebay every two minutes.

Must be a real lemon if everyone wants rid of it that quickly.

Only 743,504,672 previous keepers according to the V5...

[Tunku]

Post by Adrian
Only 743,504,672 previous keepers according to the V5...

Oh, come on, DLVA would never keep up with it ! :-)

[pppeterrr]

Post by David Taylor

Post by pppeterrr

Post by Simon Finnigan
Even assuming that the dealer is honest and genuine, there is still the
potential for honest mistakes - like leaving a wheel nut loose after
checling brake pads (as the first example that springs to mind).

I would call that negligence.

Failing to perform even a cursory check of a vehicle you're about to
buy is also rather negligent, don't you think?

Absolutely.
But if you're paying a garage to check your brake pads, then you're paying
to have the job done properly.
(Please don't start the 'all garages are useless, do your own maintenance'
routine).

If a garage is careless (including 'honest mistakes') with your car, it is
negligent and should be liable for any reasonable consequences.
If you're negligent with your own car, you're just stupid.

[Simon Finnigan]

Post by pppeterrr

Post by Simon Finnigan
Even assuming that the dealer is honest and genuine, there is still the
potential for honest mistakes - like leaving a wheel nut loose after
checling brake pads (as the first example that springs to mind).

I would call that negligence.

It`s irrelevant, it`s an example. Supply your own example that you would
not consider to be negligence, then follow the rest of the arguement.

[pppeterrr]

Post by Simon Finnigan

Post by pppeterrr

Post by Simon Finnigan
Even assuming that the dealer is honest and genuine, there is still the
potential for honest mistakes - like leaving a wheel nut loose after
checling brake pads (as the first example that springs to mind).

I would call that negligence.

It`s irrelevant, it`s an example. Supply your own example that you would
not consider to be negligence, then follow the rest of the arguement.

An irrelevant example surely isn't relevant, so why mention it?

[Simon Finnigan]

Post by pppeterrr

Post by Simon Finnigan

Post by pppeterrr

Post by Simon Finnigan
Even assuming that the dealer is honest and genuine, there is still the
potential for honest mistakes - like leaving a wheel nut loose after
checling brake pads (as the first example that springs to mind).

I would call that negligence.

It`s irrelevant, it`s an example. Supply your own example that you would
not consider to be negligence, then follow the rest of the arguement.

An irrelevant example surely isn't relevant, so why mention it?

It`s irrelevant that you`d consider it to be negligence - other people would
not do.

[Alex Heney]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:12:41 -0000, "Simon Finnigan"
<***@hotmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Simon Finnigan
But why would you trust anyone when you`re spending thousands of pounds on
an item? Check it to the very best of your abilities, and if your abilites
aren`t good enough then pay someone else to check it. Get an RAC or AA test
done before paying for the car, get it HPI checked,

NO.

*Don't* get it HPI checked - see thread starting with the following
post in uk.legal only:
<news:***@4ax.com>

[Simon Finnigan]

Post by Alex Heney
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:12:41 -0000, "Simon Finnigan"
<snip>

Post by Simon Finnigan
But why would you trust anyone when you`re spending thousands of pounds on
an item? Check it to the very best of your abilities, and if your abilites
aren`t good enough then pay someone else to check it. Get an RAC or AA test
done before paying for the car, get it HPI checked,

NO.
*Don't* get it HPI checked - see thread starting with the following

So the other details of such a check, such as being able to see the milage
history etc is also a bad idea is it?

[Alex Heney]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:01:24 -0000, "Simon Finnigan"

Post by Simon Finnigan

Post by Alex Heney
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:12:41 -0000, "Simon Finnigan"
<snip>

Post by Simon Finnigan
But why would you trust anyone when you`re spending thousands of pounds on
an item? Check it to the very best of your abilities, and if your abilites
aren`t good enough then pay someone else to check it. Get an RAC or AA test
done before paying for the car, get it HPI checked,

NO.
*Don't* get it HPI checked - see thread starting with the following

So the other details of such a check, such as being able to see the milage
history etc is also a bad idea is it?

No, except that you don't very often get any more from that than you
can get from any previous MOT certificates there may be (none on a
2005 car).

More important would be the information it gives you about whether the
car has been previously "written off".

Actually, of course, you are probably better off finding out and just
walking away from anything with outstanding finance, rather than going
through the hassle of arguing with the finance company, even though
you would probably win.

[Simon Finnigan]

Post by Alex Heney
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:01:24 -0000, "Simon Finnigan"

Post by Simon Finnigan

Post by Alex Heney
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:12:41 -0000, "Simon Finnigan"
<snip>

Post by Simon Finnigan
But why would you trust anyone when you`re spending thousands of pounds on
an item? Check it to the very best of your abilities, and if your abilites
aren`t good enough then pay someone else to check it. Get an RAC or AA test
done before paying for the car, get it HPI checked,

NO.
*Don't* get it HPI checked - see thread starting with the following

So the other details of such a check, such as being able to see the milage
history etc is also a bad idea is it?

No, except that you don't very often get any more from that than you
can get from any previous MOT certificates there may be (none on a
2005 car).
More important would be the information it gives you about whether the
car has been previously "written off".
Actually, of course, you are probably better off finding out and just
walking away from anything with outstanding finance, rather than going
through the hassle of arguing with the finance company, even though
you would probably win.

For the sake of ~£20 to know and avoid that much effort, it`s well worth it.
What happens if (for example) the car is taken from the road outside your
house when you`re not there by the finance company who claim to own the car?
You may well be in the right, you may well win in court, but what do you do
in the meantime?

[Alex Heney]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:37:28 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
<***@nowhere.com> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude of
the company beggars belief.

Nothing.

Why do you think you might be able to do anything about it?

It was obvious to you when you bought it that they were not present,
and the lack of them does not make the vehicle unfit for purpose.

The fact that the company are trying to suggest they were present is a
sign of their disreputableness, but doesn' really make any difference.

Post by Alan Holmes
Please could you also send any comments to the management of the Company

Why should you expect other people to write to this company?

Post by Alan Holmes
So, I would advise anyone considering buying a car from Trade-Sales in
Slough to be very, very, wary, make sure you are very familiar with any
vehicle you may be interested in, and make sure you test drive it before
making any decision about buying from this company!

You should *always*, without fail, test drive *any* second hand car
you buy.

[Aaron B]

Post by nullified
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:37:28 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
<snip>

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude of
the company beggars belief.

Nothing.
Why do you think you might be able to do anything about it?
It was obvious to you when you bought it that they were not present,
and the lack of them does not make the vehicle unfit for purpose.
The fact that the company are trying to suggest they were present is a
sign of their disreputableness, but doesn' really make any difference.

Post by Alan Holmes
Please could you also send any comments to the management of the Company

Why should you expect other people to write to this company?

Post by Alan Holmes
So, I would advise anyone considering buying a car from Trade-Sales in
Slough to be very, very, wary, make sure you are very familiar with any
vehicle you may be interested in, and make sure you test drive it before
making any decision about buying from this company!

You should *always*, without fail, test drive *any* second hand car
you buy.

Should test drive a new car as well. You've got to know how it feels to
drive, how the seats suit you etc.

[Alex Heney]

Post by Aaron B

Post by nullified
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:37:28 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
<snip>

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude of
the company beggars belief.

Nothing.
Why do you think you might be able to do anything about it?
It was obvious to you when you bought it that they were not present,
and the lack of them does not make the vehicle unfit for purpose.
The fact that the company are trying to suggest they were present is a
sign of their disreputableness, but doesn' really make any difference.

Post by Alan Holmes
Please could you also send any comments to the management of the Company

Why should you expect other people to write to this company?

Post by Alan Holmes
So, I would advise anyone considering buying a car from Trade-Sales in
Slough to be very, very, wary, make sure you are very familiar with any
vehicle you may be interested in, and make sure you test drive it before
making any decision about buying from this company!

You should *always*, without fail, test drive *any* second hand car
you buy.

Should test drive a new car as well. You've got to know how it feels to
drive, how the seats suit you etc.

Indeed, but in that case, you will normally be test driving a demo
vehicle, rather than the actual one you are purchasing, so not quite
the same thing.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude
of the company beggars belief.

I've never seen a car where it's not obvious if the wheel trims are
missing. So to complain afterwards is rather the same as to complain about
there not being a radio.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude
of the company beggars belief.

I've never seen a car where it's not obvious if the wheel trims are
missing. So to complain afterwards is rather the same as to complain about
there not being a radio.

I was not talking about wheel trims, but hubcaps which fit into a hole in
the wheel centre, something which is unique to that particular car.

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
--
*Women who seek to be equal to men lack ambition.
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
I've never seen a car where it's not obvious if the wheel trims are
missing. So to complain afterwards is rather the same as to complain
about there not being a radio.

I was not talking about wheel trims, but hubcaps which fit into a hole
in the wheel centre, something which is unique to that particular car.

Right. I have a similar idea on the alloy wheels on my BMW. Which makes
them look terrible if missing. Nothing like a wheel designed to have the
nuts showing.

[Brimstone]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
I've never seen a car where it's not obvious if the wheel trims are
missing. So to complain afterwards is rather the same as to complain
about there not being a radio.

I was not talking about wheel trims, but hubcaps which fit into a
hole in the wheel centre, something which is unique to that
particular car.

Right. I have a similar idea on the alloy wheels on my BMW. Which
makes them look terrible if missing. Nothing like a wheel designed to
have the nuts showing.

The trouble really lies with cars in which the nuts are showing.

[Adrian]

Post by Brimstone
The trouble really lies with cars in which the nuts are showing.

Alan's gonna need very dark pimptint on the windows.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude
of the company beggars belief.

I've never seen a car where it's not obvious if the wheel trims are
missing. So to complain afterwards is rather the same as to complain about
there not being a radio.

I did explain in my post that I already owned a ford escort, and on that car
the wheel nuts are exposed, so I did not assume that there was a fault, it
was not until my son pointed out the lack of hubcaps, when I checked other
ford fiesta's!

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
--
*Women who seek to be equal to men lack ambition.
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Hooch]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:46:41 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Dave Plowman (News)

Post by Alan Holmes
But, back to the lack of hubcaps, what can I do about it, the attitude
of the company beggars belief.

I've never seen a car where it's not obvious if the wheel trims are
missing. So to complain afterwards is rather the same as to complain about
there not being a radio.

I did explain in my post that I already owned a ford escort, and on that car
the wheel nuts are exposed, so I did not assume that there was a fault, it
was not until my son pointed out the lack of hubcaps, when I checked other
ford fiesta's!

That would be "centre caps", then.

BTW plural's don't take apostrophe's.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Dave Plowman (News)
I've never seen a car where it's not obvious if the wheel trims are
missing. So to complain afterwards is rather the same as to complain
about there not being a radio.

I did explain in my post that I already owned a ford escort, and on that
car the wheel nuts are exposed, so I did not assume that there was a
fault, it was not until my son pointed out the lack of hubcaps, when I
checked other ford fiesta's!

If it looks ok to you without them why make such a song and dance?

[nullified]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:37:28 GMT, "Alan Holmes"

Post by Alan Holmes
Long and boring!
You have been warned!
Owing to a change in circumstances, I had to dispose of my caravan, which
meant I no longer had a need for a largish car, so I started to look round
for a replacement.
After a while I discovered a company called Trade-Sales, who operate in
Slough, having looked at the cars which were on offer, I was impressed by a
Fiesta, which had all the facilities I wanted, during my examination of the
car I noticed that the wheel nuts were exposed, but as my present car was
also a Ford and had exposed wheel nuts I took no notice.

I recently bought a car from a similar trader and after towing the car
home opened the bonnet and discovered there was no engine, gearbox, or
wiring loom under there. I phoned them to complain but they wouldn't
help. I also complained that there was no suitcase full of used
tenners in the boot either, but they referred me to the Customer
Complaints Manager, who lived on a long chain in the yard and answered
to the name of Rex.

[Rob]

nullified wrote:
||
|| I recently bought a car from a similar trader and after towing the
|| car home opened the bonnet and discovered there was no engine,
|| gearbox, or wiring loom under there. I phoned them to complain but
|| they wouldn't help. I also complained that there was no suitcase
|| full of used tenners in the boot either, but they referred me to the
|| Customer Complaints Manager, who lived on a long chain in the yard
|| and answered to the name of Rex.

And when you did complain, did the trader prove to be a complete and utter
wanker, insulting your intelligence by claiming those items *were* there
when you bought it, and they somehow disappeared on the way home?

[nullified]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:25:29 -0000, "Rob"

Post by Rob
||
|| I recently bought a car from a similar trader and after towing the
|| car home opened the bonnet and discovered there was no engine,
|| gearbox, or wiring loom under there. I phoned them to complain but
|| they wouldn't help. I also complained that there was no suitcase
|| full of used tenners in the boot either, but they referred me to the
|| Customer Complaints Manager, who lived on a long chain in the yard
|| and answered to the name of Rex.
And when you did complain, did the trader prove to be a complete and utter
wanker, insulting your intelligence by claiming those items *were* there
when you bought it, and they somehow disappeared on the way home?

Yeah! Shit, how did you know!? Have you dealt with him too?

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Rob
||
|| I recently bought a car from a similar trader and after towing the
|| car home opened the bonnet and discovered there was no engine,
|| gearbox, or wiring loom under there. I phoned them to complain but
|| they wouldn't help. I also complained that there was no suitcase
|| full of used tenners in the boot either, but they referred me to the
|| Customer Complaints Manager, who lived on a long chain in the yard
|| and answered to the name of Rex.
And when you did complain, did the trader prove to be a complete and utter
wanker, insulting your intelligence by claiming those items *were* there
when you bought it, and they somehow disappeared on the way home?

Yes!

Post by Rob
--
Rob

[pppeterrr]

Post by Alan Holmes
my son

So much for Darwin's theory...
Peter

[Alan Holmes]

Post by pppeterrr

Post by Alan Holmes
my son

So much for Darwin's theory...

Well, I assumed he is my son!

Post by pppeterrr
Peter

[Abo]

Post by Alan Holmes
There was another problem with the vehicle, but as it was still under
warranty I did not pursue that problem, I should have test driven the thing
before buying it.

Indeed